Official Post From Hawkwind

[dave hall]

Bob Calvert did that at his gigs in the ealy 80's

Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: stephe lindas <lindas1 at ADELPHIA.NET>
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Date: 12 December 2002 22:12
Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind


>Next thing, noone will be allowed to do reefer at the gigs.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Frank Weil" <frankw at STC.CORP.MOT.COM>
>To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
>Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 5:04 PM
>Subject: Re: Official Post From Hawkwind
>
>
>> >From: Andrew Garibaldi<Deadearnest at BTOPENWORLD.COM>
>>
>> >It probably stems from most record companies' historic complete
inability
>to
>> >(or be willing to) distinguish between a bootlegger and a
>> >counterfeiter/pirater
>>
>> I agree with this, and I want to add something from a different
>perspective.
>>
>> DISCLAIMER: I have *no* inside information to the band's reasonings, so
do
>not read
>> too much into the rest of this message!
>>
>> It is often the case that business decisions are made from the
perspective
>of what
>> is required to have a legal footing in a sometimes-seemingly-unrelated
>matter. I am
>> not very familiar with English law, but at least in America we have a
>legal system,
>> not a justice system. (The legal system would like to have you believe
>that they are
>> the same thing, but they are not.) The legal system says that certain
>conditions
>> have to be met in order to pursue a legal action.
>>
>> For example, a railroad puts up crossing gates at sidewalks. They do not
>really stop
>> someone from walking around/under them, and it costs them extra money for
>equipment,
>> maintenance, etc. However, it allows them to have a chance if someone is
>stupid
>> enough to walk in front of a moving train and get hit. The railroad can
>argue that
>> they made a diligent effort to warn people and keep them off the tracks,
>and the
>> person who got hit had to specifically circumvent those efforts.
>>
>> Another example would be a business having a guard at each entrance to
>check bags on
>> entry for weapons. While no one expects the guards to strip-search
>everyone, and
>> everyone knows that they could sneak a weapon in without a whole lot of
>trouble, the
>> business is making some effort. If someone gets shot on the business
>property and
>> gets sued by the victim for failing to protect him/her, then the business
>has a
>> basis to claim that it has preventative measures in place, so the
attacker
>had to
>> knowingly and deliberately conceal the weapon. It is a lot harder to
prove
>> negligence on the part of the business in these cases.
>>
>> What does this have to do with Hawkwind (read the disclaimer at the top
>again)? I
>> could easily see that if Hawkwind does not make this pronouncement, then
>it would be
>> much more difficult to stop true bootlegging through legal channels and
to
>collect
>> restitution. Given that their music is their livelihood, I think it is in
>their best
>> interest to protect it any way that they think is best. It's all too easy
>to sit on
>> the sidelines and say what the band should or shouldn't do. Maybe we
>should give
>> them the benefit of the doubt due to their many years on the inside of
the
>music
>> business, the multitude of legal issues they have been through, and the
>amount of
>> money they surely have lost due to illegitimate releases.
>>
>> Personally, I don't listen to Hawkwind because of their taping policy. I
>listen to
>> them because I enjoy their music. This won't change that one bit.
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> --
>> As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual
>> certainty, and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human
>> life -- so I became a scientist.  This is like becoming an
>> archbishop so you can meet girls.           -- Matt Cartmill
>> ============================================================
>>       Frank Weil | Frank.Weil at motorola.com
>>    phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3280
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