The MTV generation (not sorry, long ")

[Stephe Lindas]

You forgot to mention Mcdonalds and Burger King. I mean as Americans have a
taste for Shit. It amazes me that folks even eat there. I'd rather eat
vegetarian. No Offense to folks who are. I am not. Anyone remember a band
named MDC. THeir first EP Multi Death Corporations. Had the poster in there
with all the facts about how Mcdonalds beef isn't fit for human consumption.
If you look at the wrapper it says 100% american beef. Try to eat it cold.
Sure doesn't taste like beef. Sorry for the off post. I couldn't resist.
Cheers Stephe
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From: "DRider" <Hawkwind at ATTBI.COM>
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Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: The MTV generation (not sorry, long ")


> Congratulations Christian Mumford - for starting a good thread that has
> generated many positive responses. I hope this is a good sign!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Henderson Keith writes:[mailto:Keith.Henderson at PSI.CH]
>
> NB: Any similarities between Duran Duran and "music" being entirely
> coincidental.  :)  Although I must have to admit that I've considered
> recently the possibility that indeed the Bee Gees (following the
> reminder presented by the recent death of one of them) and not Duran
> Duran was the worst band in history.  :)  (Not counting Country and
> Rap "music."  And 'serious' techno either.)
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Come on man!
> Duran Duran - better than the Bee Gees?
> There are plenty of bands worse than both of these bands combined.
> Just turn on any modern rock radio station.....
>
> Better yet a rap/hiphop radio station.......
>
> Which brings up another topic: Rap is NOT music
> That's probably why you put the word music in quotes, right?
>
> I pulled up to a thump car w/ it's license plate all a buzz
> the other day....
>
> "Mother-fucker this"
> "Mother-fucker that"
> "I like women w/ da..."
> "... big fat ass"
>
> Inside was a pasty white geek, rappin along
> w/ his chains all a "bling bling"
> like he's real bad
>
> This got me wonderin: why is this terrible excuse for sound SO popular??
>
> The only theory that I could conclude was that the average American
> has TASTE FOR SHIT!
>
> I don't know if rap/hiphop are as popular in other countries, as it is
> here......
>
> Young people are spending loads of $$$ to support crooks. Yeah, we all
have
> been supporting white collar crooks for years. Oh, boohoo the recording
> industry is in a slump. Serves them right for ripping us off for all these
> years........
>
> But that's not what I mean. When I say crooks, I mean it in the literal
> sense. Sug Knight or whatever his name is a gangbangin thug. Most of these
> guys are in the same category. "Oh, I went from sellin dope on the street
> corner to being a star on MTV." Talk about money for nothing! At least
when
> he was sellin drugs he was providing a service.(tongue in cheek)  And
people
> wonder why these guys get killed......
>
> Even defending rap from the angle that it's about pissing off the parents
> does not hold up. Rock N Roll originally pissed off parents, but at least
> part of it had substance. Yeah, rock N roll ripped off the old bluesmen.
But
> isn't there some type of homage being paid in that form? Not like some rap
> thug sampling a line from a previous hit for the main melody of his "song"
> and putting disgusting lyrics to it. At least rock n roll had innuendo and
> not some skank shakin her ass 6 inches from the camera.
>
> I could go on an on, but simply said: rap is crap!
>
> Moving on.....
>
> How can you put county in the same category as rap?
> Garth Brooks etc. is not really country, but it WAY better than rap!
>
> Do you mean to say that a guy w/ as eclectic tastes in music as you have,
> that you don't like even one song by Johnny Cash?
>
> I know, I know - Johnny Cash - don't smoke hash  ")
> (I bet he did)
>
> I saw Willie Nelson open for Phil Lesh this past summer at Red Rocks and
was
> fortunate enough to record the show on DAT. That guy was awesome! He
played
> for 90 minutes non-stop one song right into another. The funny thing is, I
> bet if you were there you would have recognized more songs than you think
> and you just may have enjoyed it...... A way that I have learned to tell
how
> much a crowd like a performer is by how quiet and respectable/considerate
> they are when the performer is playing.... The place was packed and
everyone
> was extremely attentive. As it should be. Willie Nelson is a legend!
>
> But hey.. I'm just a Deadhead - what do I know?
>
> We are in agreement that the best music in the '80s was METAL.
>
> It continues to baffle me when clubs have what they call "old wave" nights
> where they play '80's crap music. Then again, back to the theory:
> Americans have taste for crap.
>
> Case in point: look who are president is.....
>
> "Oh, that boy on death row is retarded? Let's fry him anyway!"
>  - G.W. Bush
>
> Too bad old George was not in the series finale of "OZ".
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> As I look back now, though, I don't think much of it has 'aged' well
> already.  I'm not even sure that I can really think of Jane's "Nothing
> Shocking" (which I thought was outstanding at the time) as a worthy
> piece of plastic.  I find myself actually preferring the
pseudo-psychedelic
> experiment on 'Side Two' of "Ritual" (that then I thought was not working
> for them).  What the hell's Perry doing these days anyway?  Waiting for
> the inevitable Jane's reunion?  Or has he already died from heroin
> overdose?
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> hmmm....
> are you just playing devil's advocate?
>
> Jane's Addiction have a new album about to be released and as someone said
> Lollapalooza is coming back. It bums me out that you would speak so poorly
> of Perry. Then again, I have met the guy. Hell, I even smoked a joint w/
him
> at the venue I mentioned in another post (Jannus Landing) when Porno For
> Pyros played there on 7/5/96. I saw JA at Peabody's Downunder in 1988.
What
> a great show! It was not until the end when one of the road crew came up
w/
> a pair of crutches, that I realized the man had done the entire show w/ a
> broken leg. He was all over the place like a madman. Incredible! I saw
them
> the next year at the Phantasy Theatre and the magic was definitely going
> away.... Then last year, I scored front row tix to see them in
Gainesville,
> FL. I was right in front of Dave Navarro. I saw over 60 shows last year
and
> that show was by far the best. 2 stages, dancers on the stage (w/ a strip
> club type pole and a swing), dancers on pedestals out in the arena itself,
a
> second small stage 3/4 of the way back where they played an acoustic
> set.....
>
> With Lollapalooza, Perry gave America the opportunity to see an eclectic
> bunch of bands in a festival atmosphere. These were alternative bands that
> defined the term "alternative". The "straight" folks came just to see the
> freaks, but ended up getting into the music. The media soaked it up and
> "alternative" became mainstream. Now we have suburban kids all tattooed up
> and cheerleaders pierced. That may or may not be a good thing, but Perry
got
> alot of people's attention and alot of great bands got the much needed
> exposure that they needed and deserved.
>
> Stephen Perkins - the drummer has a great taping friendly band called
> Banyan. It's like tribal jazz w/ horns. Think Korai Orom w/ horns. Another
> cool point about JA - they are a bunch of Deadheads. Yeah, that's right.
My
> friend Jim Charna, a fellow taper had mail order tix for the Dead at Cal
> Expo in 1989. He was not taping and went to his seat, after some time went
> by a fellow showed up w/ his girlfriend. It was none other than Perry. Jim
> struck up a conversation w/ the amicable man and not long after he said,
we
> will enjoy the show much better out on the lawn w/ the guys. He invited
Jim
> along. On the lawn was the rest of the band. They puffed it up on some
> "kind" and Jim ended up following them back to their car after the show.
> Stephen had a shoebox w/ cassette masters of live performances that he
> loaned to Jim to dub. This is no bullshit!
>
> Now, being a Deadhead may not be cool to some folks, but it is to me.
> Loaning master live tapes out may not be cool to some folks, but it is too
> me. Being able to approach someone like Perry and having an intelligent
> conversation while smoking a joint may not be cool to some folks, but it
is
> to me. Putting on a festival of very talented eclectic non-mainstream
bands
> may not be cool to some folks, but it is to me. I'll stop there.
>
> Other than that I agree w/ a good portion of what you have to say.....
>
> MTV was interesting for a while. I'll admit that when it first came on, I
> tuned-in alot. I watched Beavis & Butthead. The reality show - I forget
the
> name... w/ the guy Puck. The first version of Road Rules. But MTV became
> less about music an more about crap reality shows...... Ironic how network
> television is following suit..........  The third and final testament to
my
> theory - the average American has TASTE FOR SHIT!
>
> Much Music and MTV2 still have their moments and sometimes fill the void.
> The show called Control Freak is cool.......
>
> Bring Back Head Bangers Ball (but not Ricky Rakkman!)
>
> Ocean Size,
>
> D