OFF: Metaphysical question... is BOC-L dead?

[mary sullivan]

You possess more than you give yourself credit for, you big hearted loudmouth, and you know a lot, some is off topic, but honestly, I get overwhelmed with all the HW collector knowledge, it's a learning experience, as well as sometimes a pissing contest, it's all good, just stay as cool as you can, and you are loved by many, myself included, and you and Christian both do know your stuff.  I know, especially when alone a great idea comes up, and I just want to share it with someone, that's why I ask lots of weird musical questions, about the tones, and their relationship to evil in music?  Anyway glad you're still here, Mike, and I did enjoy the Zappa, I'd love to hear more suggestions for music, new, old, anything interesting, and made by fans here, there's always been a wealth of musical and scientific knowledge here, with other things thrown in.  We can all make this work. 

-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET] On Behalf Of Mike c
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 11:07 PM
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.ISPNETINC.NET
Subject: Re: OFF: Metaphysical question... is BOC-L dead?

I have hesitated to say more, because underneath my own usually extremely overdone gruff "game face", lies a fairly large sized heart.
(meaning not just here, me all around) :)

It may (often, usually?) be hard to see, if at all, and I admit I get a kick out of that, but here's my opinion:

I think 2 things are going on, or 3.

Before I say this let me swear to whatever god (actually) is that I am not saying this to be hurtful.

1) I am not convinced that those who are laughing, are laughing at a joke.
I mean Christian often cracks me up, but not the "ever returning"
racial/religious comments.
I am open to correction on this, but I had personal dealings with him, and it was coming up in private mails. I found my hands tied because he IS so intelligent in ways, I could not even understand or be bothered to unravel much of what was there, but I think I know enough that I am looking at a real personal problem.
I wanted to help but was unable, from my point of view.
I became weary and had to back away.


If i am correct, shame on us, in a way, to fan that fire or laugh at a real (insert your own term)


2) An unrealistic view of who the other people are on this list and a repeatedly blatant disregard.

3) Maybe never really seeing the others here, as "more than virtual cartoons", for lack of a better way to say it

I am certainly willing to do as others and just get more friendly with the delete button, but I confess I delete most of his mails and do not read.
Yes, believe it or not I get overloaded. My gmail does not have a blocker and even if it threw mails into spam it is almost more annoying since i have to go and empty them.


I do not want my mails to be done that way. Though I will have to accept that some will be and that I have brought that on myself.

I am, myself, indeed, a "boundary pusher" at times, but I HAVE a conscious about the others here, and often quite innocently find myself having sent more email than I would have preferred.

Anyway, he is so capable of being perfectly normal and informative and does so, then all of a sudden things "go south".

When people do not respond, it becomes more and more vulgar.

To me, the biggest issue is what the heck is the problem and should we be laughing at it.
Once again, I am not laughing at the things Paul mentions anyway, it is not my cuppa joe. Otherwise he IS, at times, pretty hilarious but I do have a high tolerance for the abnormal.

My point is as Paul's, when people are leaving, and the "goners" are now adding up, it is time for us to make some slight changes, meaning me as well.

All that said,  I personally will be just fine no matter what, I just don't want personal blame for running people off or to be automatically lumped in with someone else.

It is truly touching the tolerance and kindness shown here, today.

I do not possess so much





On 8/3/15, Paul Mather <paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu> wrote:
> On Aug 3, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Arjan Hulsebos <arjanh at WOLFPACK.NL> wrote:
>
>> To me, one of the attractions of BOC-L has always been the 
>> possibility of Mike and/or Christian going off on a mail-rampage. And 
>> if I don't feel like reading it all, I just delete it. Although, I 
>> must say, deleting umpteen emails on a smartphone kinda reminds me of 
>> the "good old" days of dial-in ;-)
>
>
> Have you ever considered bookmarking a couple of neo-Nazi sites, 
> because that's what I felt I was wading through lately with Christian's posts.
> That, and post after post of puerile adolescent boasts about sexual prowess.
>  Yawn.
>
> If you want to read trolling, there's a whole Internet out there for 
> you to enjoy.  I subscribed to this music list to read something about 
> Hawkwind, BÖC, and friends.
>
> Maybe I'm too old-fashioned, Internet-wise, but I fail to see how 
> ranting about jews; urging us to "kill kikes"; and praising the likes 
> of Breivik and Hitler is even 0.00001% on-topic for this list.
>
> That crap has absolutely nothing to do with Hawkwind or BÖC.  If I 
> wanted to read about that sort of nonsense, I'd do it off-list.  I 
> suggest others do the same.
>
> Apparently, we're told it's all supposed to be a joke and people find 
> it funny.
>
> Oh, really?
>
> I've read markov chain generators come up with better output.  Twitter 
> bots are more entertaining.  Both are about as creative as what has 
> vomited across this list as of late.
>
> Christian really needs to change the record.
>
> When he's gone off on a "mail-rampage" people have unsubscribed.  
> Meanwhile, he stinks up the archives with nonsense and bile.  Great, 
> just great.  Maybe one day he'll learn to self-moderate.  Yeah, fat chance.
>
> Sic Semper Trollannis.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul.
>